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March 27, 2009
A Ghost in the Toilet
Q: Ed, thanks for all the great plumbing advice! Our home, which was built in the early 1990s, has two toilets. In 2008 we had both insides of the toilets rebuilt and had nothing but problems since then. Both toilets now have "phantom" flush issues where the toilet water constantly runs into the bowl and the fill valves turn on and off constantly. My husband has changed the flappers to no avail. We're ready to rip these toilets out but really can't afford to do so. What else can we try?
-Betty, Mississippi
A: Since your toilets are fairly new, and the fill valves have recently been replaced, and since both toilets have the same problem, I believe a little human error is to blame with this one.
In most toilets, the fill valve or "ballcock" fills the toilet from two discharges. One opening at the bottom of the ballcock fills the tank, and the little hose at the top fills the overflow tube going down into the bowl to reseal the trap. This little hose needs to be clipped to the rim of the overflow tube as per the manufacturers instructions.
Unfortunately, many people make a common mistake by skipping that step and may simply tuck the hose into the tube -- causing the hose to be too low in the tube. A low hose can actually cause a siphon in some style ballcocks... and there you have it. Water can constantly be siphoned from the tank and will drain into the bowl creating the dreaded "phantom flush."
So, before you replace the toilets, check to make sure the fill hose is clipped properly to the rim of the tube so you don't get your wallet "clipped" with the unnecessary cost of two new toilets!
Ed Del Grande, the author of Ed Del Grande's House Call, was born and raised in a family-owned plumbing business. With more than 25 years of experience in every aspect of construction, he holds current Master licenses in pipefitting, fire protection and plumbing. If you have a question for Ed, send him an e-mail at eddelgrande@hgtvpro.com.Posted by Ed Del Grande at March 27, 2009 2:02 PM
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Yup that is the problem. I had the same self flushing. Drove me nuts in the middle of the night. By trial and error I did manage to fix the problem.
Posted by: Barbara at April 1, 2009 12:13 PM
