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March 23, 2009
Basement Buddy Bar
Q: Hey, Ed. My wife is letting me build a bar in our basement for me and my friends to hang out in, and you are just the man to help me figure out how to finish it off. I have a walk-out basement, and if I install a bathroom, there will be no need to go upstairs. Since space is very tight, I can't fit a toilet in the bathroom area, so I'm looking to install just a urinal and sink. I'm also hoping to save some money by not putting in a toilet. However, the drain line is higher than the urinal -- so how complicated will this make the job, and what are my options?
-Nathan, Indiana
A: Congratulations on building your bar! Believe it or not, many homeowners are turning to this "in home" entertainment option since it may no longer be affordable to go out as frequently as we did before to meet friends.
As far as your options for installing a urinal with the drain line higher than the urinal itself, you really only have one way to do it properly. Unfortunately, it will probably be as much work and as expensive as if you installed a toilet -- so you might want to redesign the bathroom to fit a toilet. That way, the bathroom will be more universal than if you just had the urinal.
The issue is that according to most codes, you may need to install a sewer ejector pit and pump in your basement floor to collect the waste water from the fixtures, and then when the ejector pit is full, the pump will push the water up to the existing drain line. As you can imagine there is a lot of work involved with installing a sewer ejector system.
Basically, permits will have to be pulled, the basement concrete will have to be cut open, and a hole dug to accept the pit and drains. Then the ejector discharge line needs to be tied into the existing house drain, and a new pit vent line also needs to be installed per local codes. Finally, a new concrete patch is poured to finish the floor, and the fixtures are installed. Also, any electrical work needs to be completed.
If you look around, you may find ejector systems that have above-grade tanks and pumps, and that may cut out the underground work. However you need to check if they are allowed in your area, and the investment value to your home may not be as great as an installed underground ejector pit system.
I suggest you meet with a licensed plumber to discuss your best options since this is usually not a do-it-yourself project. Sorry to put a damper in your basement bar, but maybe a small cover charge at the door could offset some of your new bathroom expenses!
Ed Del Grande, the author of Ed Del Grande's House Call, was born and raised in a family-owned plumbing business. With more than 25 years of experience in every aspect of construction, he holds current Master licenses in pipefitting, fire protection and plumbing. If you have a question for Ed, send him an e-mail at eddelgrande@hgtvpro.com.Posted by Ed Del Grande at March 23, 2009 2:41 PM
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